Herneneutics/Apologetics Bout 2 with
the Champion of "State of Mind" Owner
of Philosophy FROM Religion
+Walter White When you were reading the Bible thru twice, what was
your motivation?  1.  If you read it three times you might begin to get
a little understanding, but I doubt it for you might have winched a little
when you read that the natural man, and you are about as natural and
common in the way of human beings as it possible representing the
majority of the world that will go to eternal destruction...however, a
natural man educated or uneducated or enamored with himself or not
or considering himself as the champion of the Philosophy FROM
Religion community or just an ordinary member, it is a immutable fact
from God Himself that you and any other natural man can not
understand the things of the Spirit of God as recorded in the Bible.  In
your two puny efforts to jokingly go through the Bible twice, probably
for fodder to fight or for bitterness, did you notice I Corinthians 2:14:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
because they are spiritually discerned."

The new birth experience is considered rule number one in
Hermeneutics, the science of Biblical Interpretation.  I believe we
established some time ago in one of our other bouts when you were
also trying to save the face of the state of the mind's Philosophy
FROM Religion, that you have no familiarity with or have studied


NOTE:  Bout 1 with PFR {Philosophy FROM Religon} started with

1.  http://sungrist.org/PhilosophyFromReligion.html  ; and
2.  http://sungrist.org/PORstandard.html ; and
3.  http://sungrist.org/TenCommandmentsAtheism.html ; and
4.  http://sungrist.org/AtheistReligion.html ; and

And long before PFR, Walter, and State of Mind, and other
atheist's fools, with earnest but futile efforts with a life long Navy
friend, John Quinn, who was the inspiration for the
John Quinn's
Doubters Corner.

As we Christians battle not with flesh and blood, but with principalities
and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places, it would seem that
the bad principalities and powers are distributed equally among the
two groups of Muslims and Atheists; however in both cases the real
source is the wiles and strategies of Satan and his cohort fallen

Bout 2 Round 2 Gist:  The process of how the humanist/atheists
wraps around his self-robes of righteousness--alias a mushy false
love, peace,etc, and a truth that they can not ever know without
knowing "the way, the truth, and the life", Jesus the Son of God--to
prove his validity of having rejecting the very Great God that created
all these humans and knows them best.  Can we ever be too hard on
such fools who reject God, the divinity of Christ, and the One Book
that we all know and love.  And again of course, this would be a waste
of time on any Walter that had obviously committed the unpardonable
sin, the point of no return to God and Christ because of stubborn and
continued unbelief against the pleadings of the Holy Spirit.

"Walter White10:37 AM
+All Scripture I live by love, truth and peace, and my motivation is
always to have an open mind to learn and to share the things I've
learned over my long life.  I never want people to just believe me,
because just believing is what got them indoctrinated in the first
place. My hope is some of what I say will ring true in their heart and
they will make a small effort to verify what I say.  But there's never
any obligation.
And I am not easily fooled to accept everything I read or hear, and
for important things in life I think it unwise to be be content to just
take things on faith.  That is the lazy path so instead I take the time
and make the effort to find as much solid evidence form as many
reputable sources as possible.
I am an intelligent person so what makes you think I can not read
the writings of men from  2,000 years ago and not understand them?  
I had also read much earlier works which had very similar stories and
plotlines about other gods men invented, and the Bible tales did not
prove to be much different.
Yes, absolutely I am a natural common man, as are you.  There are
no other kinds that I am aware of.  Do you have any evidence of
some "unnatural" men?  Do you consider test tube babies as
"unnatural" men? lol
The concept of "eternal destruction" is an interesting one and was a
common theme for thousands of years before any words of the OT
were written even.  But the Hebrew "sheol" was nothing like what the
later Christians dreamed up and of course we have that later
translation error in the KJV to translate the Hebrew word "sheol" to
have two distinct meanings of both a hell like place and the grave,
which it does not.  "The lake of fire" is an expression the OT writers
copied from the older Egyptian cult of Osiris as you probably know
from your own in depth research on your religion, yes?  
Christians have changed their hermeneutic interpretation and
understanding of what "hell is" century after century, and so today it
is nothing like what first century Christians thought.   Your religion
changes with the times, which is why you no longer burn witches, you
have dropped slavery and Christians finally now give women more
equal rights than say 200 years ago.

I do not represent anyone but myself, and I am in the great minority
of people on Earth on the narrow path of seeking truth backed up with
evidence, as opposed to the BILLIONS of you indoctrinated believers
on that wide easy path of having faith in your magic invisible gods all
based on taking man-made stories on Faith, correct?
Do you acknowledge what Christianity itself declares that it is a
Faith-based belief system?  You can verify that in any encyclopedia
in case you didn't know for sure.
Your distractions of straw men ideas about me thinking I am special
or calling myself a champion of Philosophy show your weak attempt
at deception.  I am a simple humble imperfect man no better than
anyone else.  If you think otherwise that's your problem. I assure you
I shall not be throwing any stones at YOU, because I do not know
you.  I am discussing the religion of Christianity and it's beliefs here,
and this is not personal.  
[   it is a immutable fact from God Himself that you and any other
natural man can not understand the things of the Spirit of God as
recorded in the Bible.   ]Are you of the nature to think that saying
something is true makes it true?   If you want to convince anyone
talking like that then you had best offer something to back it up.  That
statement is a belief, not a proven fact.
If you could start with the two very basic foundation stones of
Christianity, your belief that a magic god exists, and the belief that
Jesus the Nazarene was actually Resurrected, and you manage to
be the first Christian in History to show they are proven facts, then
you might be slightly more convincing.   Taking those 2 cornerstone
beliefs only by Faith in stories, and then building belief on top of
belief, on top of more beliefs does not make any of it true. It makes it
beliefs based on Faith in stories, which is EXACTLY the same as
what Muslims do with their own Word of God book stories.
I     If you can't do better than using the two popular fallacies of 1.  A
story is true if it says it's true.  and 2.  It's okay to use the false
circular reasoning of using Bible stories to prove Bible stories, then
what else do you have to offer?   
I'm well acquainted with hermeneutics, and thanks to it there are now
over 40,000 different denominations of squabbling confused
Christians all with their own interpretations of the exact same words
to suit their own convenience and agenda.
But YOUR denomination is different, right?  lol  I told you I studied
Bible History for 30 years and so I did a lot more than just read it
casually for fun twice.  Why do you have the need to throw stones at
me personally?  Is that a new hermeneutical policy by Jesus in your
particular sect?  Do you pray people well in your Church to save
them going to doctors, Do you let snakes bite you to prove you're
immune and protected by a magic God, Do you allow women to
speak at your branch?  Do you have fn speaking in tongues and pray
daily for the pre- mid- post Rapture to whisk you away to an
imaginary Heaven?   You have so many secrets you keep from me
for your own sect's interpretations.

I leave you with some words of Jesus himself!   These were among
the hundreds of Godly inspired writings that were deemed not suited
to the Church's agenda in the 4th century and thrown in the garbage
as unworthy.  So these words did not make it into the KJV sadly, and
these words are known and documented by Biblical Scholars to be
written by Jesus himself, and were actually signed by Jesus, which
was something not that common in those days.
In your obvious pride in your self-righteousness you say I have no
understanding, so I think this verse fits the occasion:

[[  And if his understanding fail, have patience with him; and despise
him not when thou art in thy full strength. For the relieving of thy
father shall not be forgotten: and instead of sins it shall be added to
build thee up. In the day of thine affliction it shall be remembered; thy
sins also shall melt away, as the ice in the fair warm weather.  He
that forsaketh his father is as a blasphemer; and he that angereth his
mother is cursed: of God. My son, go on with thy business in
meekness; so shalt thou be beloved of him that is approved.
 The greater thou art, the more humble thyself, and thou shalt find
favour before the Lord. Many are in high place, and of renown: but
mysteries are revealed unto the meek.  For the power of the Lord is
great, and he is honoured of the lowly. Seek not out things that are
too hard for thee, neither search the things that are above thy
strength.  But what is commanded thee, think thereupon with
reverence, for it is not needful for thee to see with thine eyes the
things that are in secret.  Be not curious in unnecessary matters: for
more things are shewed unto thee than men understand.  For many
are deceived by their own vain opinion; and an evil suspicion hath
overthrown their judgment.
 Without eyes thou shalt want light: profess not the knowledge
therefore that thou hast not.  A stubborn heart shall fare evil at the
last; and he that loveth danger shall perish therein. An obstinate heart
shall be laden with sorrows; and the wicked man shall heap sin upon
sin.  In the punishment of the proud there is no remedy; for the plant
of wickedness hath taken root in him. The heart of the prudent will
understand a parable; and an attentive ear is the desire of a wise
 ]]Those were the words of Jesus, Son of Sirach from 180 BC.  Do
you know of that Jesus?  The NT writers admired his writings so
much that they copied from him the scenario of their Sermon on the
Mount tale for their version of Jesus, and also they used the first
Jesus writings for the ideas of the Beatitudes.  I think it would really
open your eyes if you actually made an effort to learn where the Bible
stories came from, which was most often from older oral tradition
stories and myths like the Flood myth from Mesopotamia, and the
popular old tales of Virgin Births and Resurrections.

Did you know that current research has progressed enough to be
able to pinpoint how the brain chemistry works from indoctrination by
religions in their various magic gods and we can adjust your beliefs?
Here is a brief video explaining one small aspect of how religion
works in your subconscious mind beyond your conscious awareness.
I love you as a fellow human being on your own path, and again I
want you to know I support your right to have beliefs in any magic
god you like, whether that be magic Jesus, or Allah, or Shiva.   
Having Faith, by definition needs no evidence, so you need not
struggle trying to pretend it does.  bye
Wishing you love, truth and peace

NOTE:  Oh the noblility of these persons like the Chaplain to
Atheists of Harvard {remember they also in the former seat of
congregationalists have a Muslim Chaplain} of the
Atheist Mind
and Humanists Heart, and how that is really impossible.  With
Walter as with the rest of PFR that use religion and religion to
justify their atheism, we would strive in these continuing
debates to determine why they read the Bible, how they failed at
hermeneutics and apologetics, and warn them about the
unpardonable sin.  It must be done now, for we will not see them
in our eternal home with God.

Further than that, we await Walters reply to Bout 2 Round 1, and
then perhaps it will be possible to proceed with the principalities
and powers wrapped around Hermeneutics and Apologetics.  Of
course, we must answer how Walter's experience of reading the
Bible was so different from Govenor Lew Wallace when he was
doing research to write the novel Ben Hur, Wallace read the
gospels and became a Christian.  Preliminarily we should note:  
(1) Walter's efforts to magnify himself showing the down fall of
pride; (2) The 30 years of Bible study, of course with major gaps
in Hermeneutics and Apologetics for example his foolish
statement that no one has proven that Jesus is the Christ or
that God is or that the Bible is the word of God, indicating that
he may have had a bitter experience of training as a Priest.
Bout 2 Round 1 Gist:  Any natural man, that is a person
without the experience of having the Spirit of God create the
new birth in him, can not possibly understand a book
written by God the Holy Spirit.

Why go to all this trouble for a fool like Walter White?  And God
in His Word calls Him a fool since Walter is one of those
atheists trying to intellectually defend an untenable position
without eternal weight--

"To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said
in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have
done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."  
(Psalm 14:1

NOTE:  Notice that it is in the fools heart because his head
knows better, yet the corruption and abominable works
during a long life seek for him justification for all that wasted
effort and life.  We may never know in the life of Walter what
bitterness happened between him and God to create all
these vile expressions.

Anyway to the point, as it would be fruitless to waste time on
such a fool, this bout as the original bout, is for the many on
whom he may have a detrimental influence.  It may seem that
way sometimes, but it just is not wise to sake your fist in the
face of God and of His wisdom in the Book!