How Can You ID False Teachers and Prophets?  {chapter 27 of HIDEOUT}

“Certain Men” is the key phrase to the book of Jude; for the whole book is an effort to ID these
certain men by their “certain” characteristics, and without making personal accusations by name.  
Also to protect the respect and dignity of the office of the Apostle, primarily the authority under
Christ.  Even as during this end of the first century the New Testament Canon, at least in the
extent of distribution in the churches, was taking a form, the respect for these Scriptures like
respect for the Apostles and Jesus had to remain one, after all as Peter in a previous epistle had
demanded:  (1) All of these Scriptures, Old and New Testament were given by God through the
Apostles, Jesus, and the Prophets; and (2) the epistles from Paul that “many wrested to their own
destruction”, especially these certain men that Jude would bring out of the stealth mode, were as
much Scripture or Canon of the Word of God as the Old Testament from which he often quoted
and explained.
{About this time, the pastors at Rome were trying to extend their own
authority over those independent Christian churches, and naturally it would help to lessen
the authority of the epistles that were so respected in those churches, primarily by a
lessening of respect for such dignitaries of the past as Paul, Peter, and the still living John
and Jude.}
 While these “certain men” are successfully hiding in the local church, or quite often in
the larger kingdom, they have assumed the demeanor of any other leader in the church or
kingdom, sort of like a wolf might put on sheep’s clothing in order to deceive the other sheep, or
an enemy might hide in a Trojan Horse.  However, Jude does not intend that these false prophets
or teachers will continue to hide in the church of God for which Christ died, the church to which
Jude was called to be an Apostle and commissioned; and in spite of the lack of respect for the
authority of the Apostles, especially of John still living, and the same respect shown for a lack of
respect of that authority in the formulating Scriptures of the New Testament from these Apostles
and Jesus, Jude step by step and point by point makes the description so thorough with examples,
quotes, and emotional appeals like about “spots” and “twice dead trees” to bring these men out of
hiding, to make it apparent that there are many false prophets and teachers in the church, then and
now.  {Even more so now as we progress into the fourth and fifth stages of the Falling Away,
having surmounted the third stages of “heaping up” teachers with itching ears.}  The Apostle Judas
in Jude is very general in order to avoid personal accusation, like Michael would not even
personally rebuke Lucifer, by names in first century Christianity, against those that by Jude 16 he
calls “complainers and grumblers”, starting his efforts to identify them in Jude 4 as “certain men”,
then slowly building on the fact that they were men {later in our more thorough look at what was
happening with false teachings and teachers in first century Christianity, in particular in the seven
churches of Asia Minor, we will find a false prophetess by the name of Jezebel, obviously a
woman} and more than one of them.  Jude laboriously, with much Old Testament support from
the Prophets and much New Testament support from the Apostles, especially Peter as he quotes
much from Peter in II Peter 2 and 3, and carefully point by point builds on an adequate description
of how to distinguish these false teachers in the church from the true teachers in the church.
We need help today in order to identify the false teachers or prophets, even the tares, in our
churches.  In this chapter/message, we focus on “How Jude helps us to Identify These “certain
men” that were Ungodly.”
Whether you call these men, leaders of the tares in the churches and the kingdom of Christ,
“mockers”, false teachers, false prophets, or “deceivers”, we must know how to distinguish them
from true prophets and godly men in order to carry out the admonition of the Apostle John to “test
the spirits”, “because.. {then in the life of John and of first century Christianity and even more
today}...many false prophets have gone out into the world.”  And while Americans and American
church members are reluctant to admit that our churches are part of “the world” of John; it is, and
more so each year.  We see that lately as the economy crisis has become global, whether we think
it started in this country or elsewhere, the smallness of the world has come in on us to get our
attention in the way that affects our pocket book and the way we live!

2-1.  They were leaders in churches. (Jude 4)

Can you admit that you have leaders in your church like those of Jude?
They were inside the first century Christian movement, in fact in the church as these certain men
“had crept in unnoticed”--they were like the tares in the church and the kingdom that looked just
like the real wheat.  In fact that is exactly what they turned out to be, we learn as we continue to
study Jude; but more than that, in that they were the leaders and spokesmen for the tares of the
church or kingdom.  Sort of like in the parable that Jesus told of the tares and the wheat in the
kingdom, and even as an enemy had come into the field at night and secretly planted the tares
among the wheat, so the joining of these false teachers to the church was so natural and normal as
to be undetected.  They joined, in other words, the church, sometimes as youth, just like any other
member would have joined the church.
(1).  John MacArthur writes in his commentary on Jude:
“To be sure, there are many false teachers outside the church who propagate lies and deception
and openly proclaim their opposition to Christianity...Howevever, the counterfeit pastors, elders,
deacons, and teachers within the church are usually far more dangerous.  Attacks from outside the
church often unite God’s people, but attacks from inside--coming from false teachers--usually
divide and confuse the flock.”
(2).  And it is like Paul warned (Acts 20:17-38) the elders of Ephesus about “savage wolves” who
would come into the church of God, “not sparing the flock”, identifying these certain men as from
“within” or “among you” of the church and from without.
a.  True overseers, as contrasted to the savage wolves that were false prophets and teachers,
would:  take heed to themselves as far as their righteous life style; would take the same heed for
the flock of God like a shepherd does for the sheep; were given the authority to be “overseers” of
the flock by the authority of the Holy Spirit.
b.  The savage wolves that would scatter the flock would:  rise up from within the church ranks,
would speak “perverse things” {which later we come to learn from Jude would be the opposite, or
at least counter to “the faith once from all delivered to the saints”}; and the prime motivation of
these false teachers would be to make disciples to themselves, in the words of Paul and Acts 20:30
“to draw away the disciples after themselves”.  Even as these false teachers were making disciples
to themselves, they were [1] drawing disciples away from Christ, at least form a priority for Christ,
and [2] drawing them away from the fellowship of the Apostles and the faith once for all delivered
to the saints, also which we will see is the point of comparison and reference, say a plumb line, for
truth and the right, in the book of Jude.

2-2:  They are “ungodly men”.  

Can you face up to the reality of “ungodly men” in your own church?
Although it starts in the first century where Jude identifies them as part of the church of Christ
movement, the present “are ungodly men”, is used here to help us 21 centuries later in
Christianity, identify the same kind of men;  because in reality, it is even hard for us to face up to
the realities today of tares and tare leaders in American churches, somehow thinking that we are
different or have improved on the nature and habits of Christian churches.  Really, much of it
comes from our concept of toleration, lack of convictions, and all based on our American
Democratic Faith.
One thing that made it a little easier, although it was getting increasingly hard as first Pastor James
dealt with the problems, then Peter and Paul, and John wrapped up the century with truth versus
evil in the little epistles and in the book of Revelation recording what the Ascended Christ saw in
the early history of the first century 7 churches of Asia Minor, was that there were more godly
men in the churches than today, more of those who were not ashamed to be called godly, saints,
and even holy.

2-3.  These Certain Men are IDed by their Habits or Life Style.

These certain men and women {man in the Bible is always generic for man and woman} were
further identified by the obvious aspects of their lives. While the Apostle Jude does not name
names like the Apostle John does in the book before it with a comparison of who is right and who
wrong in a split or division within the church by comparing Demetrius and Diotrephes, in terms of
who has fellowship with the Apostles, and what we might say like in Jude is the faith once
delivered by the Apostles to the saints of the first century, or even in Revelation where John, or
Christ through John, names the name of Jezebel in the church at Thyatira, and other names;
however Jude does recognize that for the sake of a pure church, presently with spot and blemish
to God and the Lamb, and for the sake of the faith once for all delivered to the saints, all Christian
must come to know the (1) the life style and habits of these certain men, (2) the effects they have
on other church members, and (3) the false doctrines which they preach and teach, also live.
(1) The habits of their life style, a habit of turning “the grace of our God into lewdness”, a word
not so common today or even in the New Testament, but which literally means a life style of
“wickedness and evil”.  It was common in the Old Testament, especially in the description of the
description of how God’s people went after idol worship and the evil such as adultery and killing
of children that went with it.  While it would be hard to believe, normally then and today, that such
sexual immoralities would actually be in the life style of church members {we can see it in the idol
worship of so many peoples like the Moabites and Midianites, without God and dedicated to idol
worship of the Old Testament}, we learn differently quickly from Revelation, right behind the
book of Jude, in 2:20 about the false prophetess Jezebel who (a) was allowed to be a teach in the
church there, (b) who seduced other church members {“My Servants”} [1] “to commit sexual
immorality” and [2] to “eat things sacrificed to idols”.  And what we will find throughout the Old
Testament, starting with the Moabites and King Balak who hired the Prophet Balaam to curse
Israel, and running all the way into New Testament times, that the worship of idols like Baal most
generally included both sexual acts of immorality and sacrifice of children.  Also as we study the
message of the Prophets, major and minor, we have trouble distinguishing when God is
complained by “harlotry” is simply a matter of His own people worshipping other foreign gods, or
it is both sexual immorality and false worship.
Do you not see in your own local church, men and women who pervert the grace of God
with the Security of the Believer in order to allow all the bad habits, follies, and sins of the
Falling Away, “the evil heart of unbelief in turning from the living God”?
(2).  These certain men in the churches “DENY” (a) the only LORD God and (b) “our Lord Jesus
Christ”  (Jude 4).
Do you deny God by no respect for His name, by no respect for his rules and regulations
for marriage and divorce, and by no respect for His Day, even by a lack of adequate
worship and attention in worship and purpose of worship and prayer and praise?
Like Barclay writes in his commentary on Jude, There is more than one way that men can deny
Jesus, and I would add also deny God; for hopefully you have noticed in the Word and words of
Jude 4 that God is first, that is a denial of God is listed even before a denial of the Lord Jesus
Christ.  And Barclay continues:
“(a) He can deny him in the day of persecution.  (b)  He can deny him for the sake of
convenience.  (c) He can deny him by his life and conduct.  (d)  He can deny him by developing
false ideas about him.”

2-4:  These Certain Men are “Dreamers” like the False Prophets of Jeremiah 23.
Jude, or God through Jude, does call them “Dreamers” which immediately reminds us of the False
Prophets of Jeremiah 23.
1.  The details of how they are dreamers in the first century church or churches is further
describes by:  (1) they “defile the flesh”; (2) they “reject authority”; and (3) they “speak evil of
(1).  They defile the flesh.
(2).  They Reject the Authority of the Apostles, Christ, and the Word of God.
(3).  They Speak Evil of Apostles like John, Paul, and Peter; and brethren like Demetrius in III
2.  Description of the False Prophets in Jeremiah 23 as “Dreamers”.

2-5:  “Can Anyone Hide Himself in Secret Places....”  (Jeremiah 23:24)

God Himself asks this question of God’s people, especially in the middle of the chapter 23 passage
against false prophets; and when you come down to the bottom of a church as a HIDEOUT FOR
BAD HABITS, it is these False Prophets as leaders of the tares that are the primary source of
making each church a HIDEOUT.  It is they that wish to remain hidden in among the rest of the
crowd, which is becoming with the fourth stage development of the Falling Away harder and
harder for them to do as there are so many of them.
“‘Am I a God near at hand,’ says the LORD, and not a God afar off?  Can anyone hide himself in
secret places, so I shall not see him?  says the LORD.  Do I not fill heaven and earth?’ says the
LORD”  (Jeremiah 23:24)
2-6:  Falling Away, Final Exam of God Similar to the Test of the Wilderness.
We often wonder why God must withdraw the Holy Spirit from earth which releases Satan from
bondage, why God must send “strong delusion” on those who refuse to believe; and the answer is
given to us in His Word that it is in order to test all those who claim to be God’s people in order to
separate the tares from the wheat.  In order to make it apparent in each church as to who are
really the “chosen” of God in that church as well as already knowing that they are the “called” of
God as otherwise they would not be there.
2-7:  Right/Wrong on Splits:  Fellowship of Apostles and Faith Once Delivered.
We easily see after III John and the insight between Diotrephes, the pastor, and Demetrius, where
those “brethren” in the fellowship of the Apostles were put out of the church, that those that leave
are often more right than those” that stay.  One way of saying, “Might {or position, status, or
majority vote} does not make right!”
And right here, I think we have a key to the gist of the book of Jude which is related to (1) the
faith once delivered, and (2) the fellowship of the Apostles, in that these “certain men” were
rejecting the authority of the Apostles, at least one of which still lived, the Apostle John, two who
had recently been martyred for the sake of Christ, Paul and Peter, in Rome, and were also
speaking evil of the revered writings and memories of the Apostles.  You see this if you keep all
the words of Jude in context.
(1).  In the context of Jude itself, especially of Jude 17 and 18 where the appeal is made to
“remember the words of the Apostles”, alias the epistles as Word of God that they wrote as (a)
part of the faith once delivered to the saints of the first century, and (b) as if the Apostles were no
longer with them in the first century--we know Pastor James was killed early, Peter and Paul in
Rome--and perhaps only John still lived as he cared for Mary, the mother of Jesus and pastored at
Ephesus when he was not exiled on the isle of Patmos.
“But you, beloved, remember the words which were spoken before by the apostles of our Lord
Jesus Christ:  how they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk
according to their own ungodly lusts.  These are sensual persons, who cause divisions, not having
the Spirit.”  (Jude 17-19)
(2).  The context of the little epistle just before Jude, the epistle of III John where John effectively
tells us who is right and who is wrong when there is a split, or division in the church.  It was easy
in I John, when the Apostle told us who was wrong by the words, “They went out from us, as
they were not of us” (I John 2:19); but it like today became more difficult near the end of first
century Christianity as with the problem of “who left who”; and although Diotrephes as pastor and
head leader of this local church which worshiped in the house of Gaius, kicked Demetrius and
others out of the church, “putting them out of the church”, Demetrius and the others in the church
that received the fellowship of the Apostles were excommunicated.
“Therefore {the Apostle John, the last living Apostle writes, except perhaps Jude}, if I come, I will
call to mind his deeds {the aforementioned deeds of Diotrephes in verse 9 “who loves to have the
preeminence among them”, another way to say make disciples to himself} which he does, prating
against us with malicious words.  And not content with that, he himself does not receive the
brethren, and forbids those who wish to, putting them out of the church.”  (III John 9,10)
(3).  The context of the little epistles, already mentioned, beyond III John and II John, that of I
John as we have a clear establishment of a big split in Christian fellowship, of false prophets with
false spirits, and of the criterion establishment by the Apostle John of “fellowship with the
Apostles” like the faith once for all delivered to the saints.  Also I might say, more on the authority
of Apostles, and respect for the Apostles as dignitaries.
(4).  Well, lets expand the context of Jude further in the New Testament to the little epistle of
Peter where in II Peter 2 he provides on mockers and false teachers, with words and concepts like
“exploit you”, “covetousness”, “deceptive words”, “despise authority”, Balaam who loved the
wages of unrighteousness, even “wells without water” and the like, the Apostle Pete provides
background, history, words, concepts, and quotes for Jude; and then in chapter 3 of II Peter
where that Apostle describe “scoffers” of the Second Coming, motivated by their own lusts,
provides fodder for Jude on the despise authority and dignitaries that we currently have under
(5).  Likewise Peter in II Peter 3 where he discusses Paul and the Scriptures, describing the 14 and
majority epistles of Paul of the NT 27 as Scriptures and the Word of God like the OT Prophets,
he bespeaks of both proper respect for the authority and dignity of Paul as will as alluding to some
of the false teachers who “wrest” the Scriptures from Paul to their own destruction.
(6).  And we must take one more step backwards in the NT to come to Pastor James and the book
of James where we get from this part of the Word of God some insight as to the very reason for
splits and divisions in the church as from “the spirit within us that lusteth to envy” of covet.
(7).  The context about the history in the first century of the 7 churches of Asia Minor, right
behind Jude, which tell specifics of false teachers and false prophetess in local churches.
(8).  And we haven’t even looked at the details of the 14 and majority epistles of Paul in the NT,
like in II Corinthians 13 and before, where Paul deals with his own authority over the churches as
an Apostle for their own edification (like in 13:10) as well as the authority of Apostles in general,
of which he was not the least.  {Surely he was the chief of the Apostles as chief editor of the New
Testament, writing 14 of the 27 and sponsoring through John Mark and Dr. Luke 3 more books of
the NT.}
2-8:  Certain Men Have Certain Messages, Speaking in the Church (Jude 10).
Naturally you should know false prophets and false teachers by the false messages they present in
and to the church, even their speaking; and quite often like in I Corinthians 14, the speaking
publicly in the church, where by music, message, or prayer and praise, is called “prophecy” with
many strict regulations from the Word on the do’s and don’t of public worship.
1.  I Corinthians 14 on opening your mouth in public worship.
2.  Messages from these Dreamers in the church and churches (Jude 10)
(1).  “They speak evil of what they do not know.”
(2).  And what they know naturally, like “brute beasts” they corrupt themselves by the words that
come out of their mouth.
2-9:   False Ways/Errors of these Men in the Church. (Jude 11).
You see we also have not named in names like the Apostle Jude, except those mentioned in the
Word of God in III John and Revelation, such as Demetrius, Diotrephes, and Jezebel; but already
you begin to recognize some of these “certain men” and women in your own church?
(1).  The False Way of Cain in sacrifice out of disobedience {“to obey is better than to sacrifice},
and the murder of his brother Able to cover up his false worship and service and his jealousy.
(2).  The example of a False Prophet who “ran” or prophesied, ultimately, for profit or gain, “have
run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit” in the words of Jude 11, as Balaam in spite of
blessing Israel five times contrary to the insistence of King Balak of Moab who payed him to curse
Israel still advised on the side Balak to lead many of the men of Israel into sexual involvement with
the women of Moab and their blasphemous worship of idols (Numbers 31 and specifically about
Balaam Numbers 31:16).
(3).  The example of the rebellions of Korah against Moses and Aaron, along with 250 other
leaders in Israel, who after Aaron and the Levites were chosen as the holy tribe of service to God,
claimed to be just as holy, and that the whole congregation was just as holy with just as many
rights as any God appointed leader in the congregation.
Sound familiar to you, does it, like those in the church who question both the leadership of the
pastor and Christ over their church, deciding like Korah that they have as much authority and
leadership responsibility, indeed holiness and righteousness, as any leader in the church, appointed
by God and called or not!  {Alas, alas, the freedoms of absolute democracy!}?
Remember what we trying to do:  IDENTIFY THESE CERTAIN MEN AND WOMEN IN OUR
CHURCHES TODAY based on the way Jude in the Word of God identified them.  You see, this
is righteous judgment; when you use the Word of God, the Bible, as a means to distinguish
between kinds of fruit, between the leaders of the tares and the leaders of the wheat!
2-10:  These Are “Spots”,  Clouds Without Water, and Twice Dead Trees.
Actually there are two more of the very figurative and you can tell emotional descriptions of these
certain men, for a total of five descriptive warnings in Jude 12 and 13.
2-11:  Prophecies of Enoch are Descriptive Also “About These Men” (Jude 14,15).
2-12:  “Certain Men”, a Certain Kind of Grumbler and Complainer. (Jude 16).
You see, we also like the church in the house of Gaius may have trouble choosing between
Demetrius and Diotrephes, the pastor, between those in the fellowship of the Apostles, really, and
those not in the fellowship of the Apostles so close may be their doctrines and habits as far as we
can tell; and between the two faiths they possess as a doctrinal set of beliefs as compared to the
faith once for all delivered to the saints.  Goodness, we may even still have trouble determining
from our Bibles what is that body of beliefs and faith!  
So here we sort of get to the bottom line of the description of these certain men that we must
watch out for in our churches and in the church and the kingdom!  It is just before verse 20 and
20-25 which are on the more positives of the book of Jude, so that also makes it a wrap up on
how to test the spirits of the prophets, false or true.
(1).  Walking {living, habits, or life styles} according to their own lusts.  And please do not forget
in I John, the previous discussion and identification of the three lusts of the world which are not of
God:  (a) the lust of the flesh, (b) the lust of the eyes, and (c) the pride of life.  So much respect
do Apostles like Jude have for righteousness, and especially does the God of holiness have who is
the real source of this and all scriptures, that you really have a problem knowing as you read how
wicked are the ways of these ungodly men.  At heart “ungodly” just means “less like God”; and
since we know God’s demands for holiness, is the life style of these “certain men” as bad as those
of the men of the Old Testament, and even the Jezebels in the early 7 churches, who not only
worshipped idols and offered meat to idols in those worship services, but also committed the
normal practices say of Baal worship where sexcual immorality and killing of children was part of
the worship.  Perhaps these certain men in the churches were just guilt of the lust of the pride of
life, so easy even today, more than the sexual lusts of the eyes.  But you know, to Jesus, God, and
the Apostles like Jude, it was just as bad to have a lust of the pride of life, or the equivalent of idol
worship by placing a priority in life for something other than the Creator, as to literally practice all
these worship of Baal services.  Even as Pastor James has made clear in the book of James, that a
lack of equal respect for persons, discriminating for example against the poor of status and
clothing, is as much sin as murder and adultery, so pride of life and lack of priority in life for God
is as bad or worse than overt violations of the other of the ten commandments as murder and
(2).  When they speak in the church or anywhere, it is “with great swelling words”, say like a
boom and loudly and even quite eloquently.
What is the chance that when you say, like is common in churches today, “man, can he preach”,
that you are listening to the boom and the swelling words?
(3). Final ID of The Mockers of the Last Time. (Jude 18): who (a) “walk according to their own
ungodly lusts”, (b) in their very nature and character are “sensual persons”, (c) who cause
divisions, the splits spoken of by John in III John and I John, and of course often by the Apostle
Paul, and (d) those men who “do not have the Spirit”, well, John told us that in I John.
a.  “Sensual” is seldom found in the Bible, but literally means “earthy” or of this world, so that
these certain men in the churches then and now are more “of the world”, to borrow some more
words from the Apostle John, than they are of the Father.  (I John 2:15-17)
And by the way this is another way to tell who this certain men are, remember which is the end
goal of Jude in the writing in defence of the “faith once for all delivered to the saints”.  If they (1)
show more priority in life for the pride of life aspects like position, status, possessions, even family
and country, or (2) if they show that they are more friends with the world than with Christians,
recalling like Pastor James said “to be a friend of the world is enmity with God”.
b.  If they cause a dividing up of church members like the pastor of the church Diotrephes did, or
like the fundamentalists did as they destroyed reputations and careers among pastors and seminary
professors in the takeover of the SBC, also splitting into two other denominations, and right now
after over 20 years continuing to cause splits and warfare like between Texas Baptists, Baylor, and
more conservative pastors and students.  Remember the criterion that John and Jude lay down, not
only that of faithfulness to the correct spirit, a spirit of love and not fighting, but also to the “faith
once delivered”, and the authority and respect for the fellowship of the Apostles of Jesus, like for
Jesus. {Embodied of course in the Scriptures of the New Testament.  It is amazing how paranoid
fundamentalists are in that they cry a literal conviction on Scripture, then practice the opposite by
their devotion to the false teachings on the eschatology of the Scofield Bible NOTES, preaching
and teaching such extra Biblical and special Bible revelations, words not even in the Bible, as
“millinneum” and “rapture”. Half truth is always more dangerous than recognizable lies.  The
reader is urged to read
“Sound Doctrines on the Second Coming” .}
And if you properly “test the spirits” according to the righteous judgment and advice of I
John, you will see that they do not have that same spirit from the Spirit!

2-13:  Always False Prophets, however they Thrive in the Falling Away.
It is obvious from these New Testament studies that from the beginning of the Christian
movement there were always false teachers and prophets; however the Falling is their
environment.  It is during this final period of history where they thrive and grow and prosper as
they are “heaped up” by God’s people and by the third stage of development in the Falling Away,
“the heaping up of teachers of itching ears”.  Then during the third and fourth stages of the
development of the Falling Away, as church and church members turn away from truth and turn
into fables, that period of STRONG DELUSION of II Thessalonians, they actually take control
and dominate the propagation of half-truth, the lie and lies, and falsehood.  And it is believed!  
Much like in the above section about the False Prophets and Dreamers of Jeremiah, except with
the one exception that there will no longer be any need for them to hide since they will be in the
majority and in control.  It will then be much like in the churches to whom the Apostle Jude wrote
in the first century where once they hide in the sense that they sneaked in “unaware”; however
once in positions of influence and power and status, they blatantly made evident their stands with
bad habits and ungodly behavior, even preaching and teaching a Security of the Believer that
denied the very grace of God and caused many to stumble on salvation.

NOTE:  This is the newest last chapter of HIDEOUT FOR BAD HABITS, chapter 27.  To learn
more about HIDEOUT, please go to the page by that title, also to "Sound Living Is Sound
Doctrine", and to other chapters and the Table of Contents of HIDEOUT.
How Do You ID False Teachers and
False Prophets?
That is the subject of the book of Jude.  It is an effort
under the inspiration of God to identify "certain men" in
the churches!